Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Tour of Suzhou

We will be in Shanghai late April with a fee day and are considering touring Suzhou. Any recommendations on how to do this with someone reputable? Thanks



Tour of Suzhou


Possible to DIY, actually.



What are your sightseeing interests and preferences? Suzhou is famous for Chinese classical gardens but I don%26#39;t recommend visiting anymore than two otherwise most probably you%26#39;ll be ';gardened-out';. Perhaps not the case if you%26#39;re a botanist, horticulturalist or gardener though.



You might want to email me at ellyse99@yahoo.com for more suggestions -- put ';TripAdvisor'; and your own username (eg abirder) in the subject line please.



Tour of Suzhou


One Garden + Hu Qiu Mountain





Hopefully you would not see too many tourists there which would guarantee ruin your visit for any garden.



You can choose Liu Yuan (鐣欏洯) Garden which is the most famous one (used to be the home for the famous Christian ';peaceful kingdom'; army marshal Li XiuChen%26#39;s home when he occupied the area around 1860s). Anther not that famous one is ';Wang Shi Yuan';, the suzhou garden you can see at Metropolitan Art museum is a copy of that one.





Hu Qiu Mountain and its Leaning Tower is unique.




My family and I recently took a 1-day tour of Suzhou via Shanghai with a tour company called DTS (Destination Travel International - Shanghai Branch). They were recommended by our hotel as an agency geared toward international visitors. The young tour guide assigned to us was professional, enthusiastic, considerate and very likable. We were very impressed. The driver was also excellent, treating us to smooth and uneventful rides (not to be taken for granted in China). As we purchased a private tour for 5, we were sent a van instead of a bus. The Mercedes was new, clean, and equipped with working seatbelts. We were all very happy with our Suzhou experience.





I think if you are traveling with young kids or elderlies or in a group larger than 4, you should definitely consider booking a tour instead of DIY. From what I saw, the Suzhou tourist area is not easy to navigate. The roads are unpaved and dusty, full of rocks and holes, and not particularly well-marked.










Tiger Hill is also one of my favourites but not usually on my selection for a daytrip as it takes a longer time to explore and most daytrippers would rather see more sights and spend less time in each.



My personal favourites for gardens are Master-of-Nets Garden (Wang Shi Yuan 缃戝笀鍥?as above) and Lion Grove (Shi Zi Lin 鐙瓙鏋?.




';The roads are unpaved and dusty, full of rocks and holes, and not particularly well-marked.';



Unpaved? Tarred roads are the norm for touristy areas (and most of the rest) in Suzhou.



Dusty is correct though. It%26#39;ll be mucky when it rains.



';Full of rocks and holes'; -- I think Suzhou is doing a lot of road construction at the moment, that might be the reason.



Not particularly well-marked? You%26#39;re weren%26#39;t looking in Chinese. :P

Animal attractions in Tianjin and Beijing

Hi, I%26#39;m coming to China in May and I%26#39;m wondering if anyone knows of any animal attractions outside of Beijing zoo. I%26#39;ve been looking but can%26#39;t find anything.





Thanks





Animal attractions in Tianjin and Beijing


Haven%26#39;t heard of any.


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  • Days inn Forbidden city

    Hi,





    Can I get the map to reach ';days inn forbidden city'; hotel from Beijing railway station or near by underground or from airport.





    Thanks..



    Days inn Forbidden city


    Helo,





    The hotel information as follow :





    Location:







    Days Inn Forbidden City Beijing is located in central Beijing, adjacent to the Forbidden City, which is close to the downtown area. To the east is Wanfujing Street, along West Chang An Avenue and with a 3 minute walk to Tiananmen Square. The hotel is surrounded by the Forbidden City and the People%26#39;s Congress Hall, which create a superior cultural and artistic environment for the establishment.





    Address: No.99, Nanheyan street,Dongcheng District, Beijing P.R.C 100006



    Tel: 86-10-65127788



    Fax: 86-10-65260882





    I think you can buy a beijing map to find out the hotel.



    Days inn Forbidden city


    Hi,





    Thanks for the information.. can you give info about abt the near by train/metro station..




    The hotel near the subway. also the rail station is not far.




    Hi, I also booked this hotel for November, do you have an idea where I can get the address in chinese for Days Inn? So I can show it to the taxi driver. Will be coming from the railways station.




    Location map for this hotel: http://www.bjhotels.com/map/3320.gif



    Hotel name in Chinese characters: 北京香江戴斯酒店



    Hotel address in Chinese characters: 东城区南河沿大街南湾子胡同1号




    It%26#39;s very close to Grand Hotel.




    Thanks Everyone! Have been very helpful :)




    I have a question about the accommodation at this hotel - Days Inn Forbidden City. There are some cheap rooms that specify they have queen beds and are on the basement level. Basement level to us is below ground level. Are these rooms beloe ground level, are they good, or is it better to splash on the deluxe rooms? Thanks so much for your help.





    Cheers



    Cas




    Unfortunately all names and addresses in chinese only come up as boxes on my computer. Does anyone know where to go to get the correct information for this hotel?





    Thanks



    Cas




    Read all the comments about days inn forbidden city



    tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g294212-d672600…

    Great Wall Tour: Leo Hostel or Downtown Backpackers?

    Has anyone tried these tours? I%26#39;m trying to decide between the two.



    The Backpackers looks cool because it%26#39;s a hike. I%26#39;m not too sure about Leo Hostel.



    I would appreciate any input.





    Thanks!



    Great Wall Tour: Leo Hostel or Downtown Backpackers?


    My understanding was that all the backpackers shared the same tours - the bus cruises round BJ for an hour picking up people from all the hostels. Thoroughly recommend the Jinshanling to Simitai hike if you are fit enough to walk 10 Km in 4-5 hours.



    Great Wall Tour: Leo Hostel or Downtown Backpackers?


    AFAIK, they go to different sections.



    Downtown Backpackers go to Jinshanling-Simatai; while Leo Hostel goes to their ';Secret'; Wall or Mutianyu.

    XiTang transportation

    Is there busses or train service from XiTang back to Shanghai

    XiTang transportation

    no train, but there is bus,you may ask the native for where the bus station locate, normally there are lots of traveller bus from shanghai to xitang everyday, you can take any of them back to shanghai. good luck.

    XiTang transportation

    At Shanghai Stadium there is a bus terminal, including a bus to Xitang. It was an all day excursion, including the trip there and back. The cost was 120 RMB.

    Be warned there was a shopping stop on the way back - 1.5 hours in the middle of nowhere.....


    Here%26#39;s some info I posted on another forum. You need to get to Jiashan first, then you can catch a bus to Shanghai.

    Xitang

    Getting there:

    Xitang 鈥?Jiashan: It鈥檚 around a 5-10 minute walk from the Old Town to the road to get the minibus to Jiashan. Pay on minibus (3 yuan).

    From Jiashan, I think there are frequent buses to Shanghai.

    At Xitang you will be met by cyclo 鈥?rickshaws. They say that they will charge 2 yuan to take you to the Old Town. Then they tell you about 60 yuan entry charge but they say not to worry, as they have 鈥榮pare鈥?tickets. At entrance they give you 鈥榮pare鈥?tickets which are punched by the ticket guy. The rickshaw will then take you to guesthouse (which probably pays him commission). He then wants 30 yuan for the journey plus getting you into old town for 鈥榝ree鈥?

    This might seem a cheap way of getting in. The problem is that the 60 yuan ticket includes admission to many of the sites in the town, and anyway you can get a 30 rmb ticket and then pay for each place individually (4yuan up). Therefore, you don鈥檛 really save any money by paying the rickshaw driver direct.

    *Guesthouses / hotels / rooms in Old Town: *

    There seem to be many 鈥?although most have no English name. I paid 110 yuan for a basic clean double with bath and air con. Look around a bit and you can probably get a room with more character / river view / terrace etc.

    Restaurants:

    There are plenty around although many (all?) are without an English menu. Prices are reasonable - 10 - 20 yuan a dish. There are dishes such as shredded potato, egg plant, dumplings, pig knuckle and spare ribs as well as fish, river prawns and river snails. Beer is around 10 yuan a bottle. There are a couple of empty bars playing hits from the 90s but we enjoyed a couple of beers from a restaurant on a bridge near the boat trip pier.

    Other things:

    On Sunday / middle of the day several coachloads arrive. After the day trippers leave, the town is quieter, although teenagers remain in the evening playing with sparklers on the boats. Boat trips on the river are 100 yuan for a boat of 12 people.

    Mosquitoes 鈥?for a water town there didn鈥檛 seem to be many, although perhaps I was lucky!

    Electricity for Old Town was cut off at 7 am in the morning! Then woken up by loud voices of old women complaining.

    .

    The tops of the bridges are great places to sit to enjoy the breezes.

    Overall a nice, friendly town making a change from its bigger neighbours. Definitely worth an overnight stay.


    Xitang has no train station so if you take the train you%26#39;ll still have to change at (most probably) Jiashan to a public minibus/taxi.

    Read my VirtualTourist Xitang Transportation travel page for a relatively complete answer to your question: members.virtualtourist.com/m/1d57/f2e9f/9/

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  • ocean park /disney land

    hi im having a 3 day stop over in hong kong and would like to take my girls 7 and 10 years to disney land and ocean park. is there a restriction on the height and age for the rides like the roller coaster



    also ant ideas would be appreciated on hotels near shops markets also where to go with my girls in this short stay



    thanks



    terry



    ocean park /disney land


    after ocean park (4 or 5pm), you can head to causeway bay for a little shopping and then end the day in victoria peak for a good view of HK.





    after disneyland, you can still have time for the night market in mongkok.





    a 3rd day can be spent in tsim sha tsui and maybe a trip to central or stanley.





    for hotels near shops, stay in tsim sha tsui, mongkok or causeway bay district. lots of decent hotels but it depends on your budget. try to get 1 near an mtr exit for convenience.



    ocean park /disney land


    hi! just got back from HK. if i remember correctly, the minimum height req%26#39;t for the mine train and other similar rides at ocean park is about 140cm. same with space mountain at disneyland, i think. i suggest you go to ocean park early, as queues can be pretty long, so your girls can go on every ride. enjoy!




    In Ocean Park, the main height thresholds for rides are 122 cm amd 132 cm. Mine Train (roller coaster) is 122 cm, while Abyss Turbo Drop (vertical free fall) is 132 cm. There are still some rides that they may ride even below 122 cm.



    In Disneyland Park, the main restrictions are Space Mountain (roller coaster) is 102 cm; Autopia, driver is 137 cm and passenger is 81 cm.




    thanks guys



    info was great hoping by christmas my girls have grown a few more cm%26#39;s




    if you go to ocean park after seeing the pandas head for the top part of the park ,because the rides and attractions in the lower part are pretty lame




    If you are going to Ocean Park and are interested in the animal shows then make sure you check the schedule of shows before you go. I was disappointed that on the day I went all the shows were scheduled for the afternoon, not the morning, so I saw the Pandas, took the cable car ride and then left (not really interested in the rides).

    recommended immunizations?

    hello,





    my mother and i are traveling to china w/ a tour group (china spree) in april, and i wanted to see what vaccines are recommended?





    we%26#39;re planning on getting hep A (already have hep B immunization). but what about typhoid, etc? going by the CDC website, etc.. looks like we need multiple immunizations. but what do people really get?





    we%26#39;re traveling to beijing, shanghai, hong kong, and a few smaller cities (including Guilin).





    thank you!!!



    recommended immunizations?


    All you will need it Hep A and B and your Tetnis shot. That%26#39;s all most people get as you%26#39;re not going to any really small rural places, Guilin has 6 million people... but that is a small city in China.



    recommended immunizations?


    The best thing to do is go by what the CDC says and then also consult your doctor.




    thanks for the replies! the 2 replies represent some of the variable advice i%26#39;m receiving offline as well. we%26#39;re definitely getting hep A and B.... can anyone who%26#39;s traveled to china comment on whether they received the typhoid vaccine? we%26#39;re not going to any high-risk malaria areas, but we are wondering whether it would be worth it to get the typhoid vaccine....





    thanks!




    I recently received my vaccinations which were Hep A and B and typhoid. The travel clinic that I went to strongly recommended the typhoid. Also my brother in law who lives in China recommended the tyhpoid. I was also told to take malaria pills for visiting him in Dong Guan City but he said that was overkill.




    thank you so much for your reply! everyone%26#39;s advice has been very helpful and reassuring.




    I think one poster above added one zero too many to the Guilin population.




    I%26#39;ve never had a typhoid shot, but the disease is reported to be on the rise in China.





    It would seem to be more of a concern in southern, rural places but I can%26#39;t find any good information about where cases have occurred.








    The nurse at the travel clinic I visited felt the typhoid vaccine was optional, depending on my travel plans: not necessary if I would be primarily in urban areas, eating in restaurants; advisable if I planned to be spending lots of time in rural areas eating in private homes. Basically, she didn%26#39;t feel it was necessary unless I got pretty far off the beaten track. None of your destinations qualify.





    Your doctor may feel differently though, or the situation may have changed. A good travel clinic will have updates on the disease situation in all areas of the world and make recommendations based on the most current information.





    Susan




    Would vaccinations be needed for someone just going to Beijing and not to rural areas?




    Hello





    My sisterand I and a friend are travelling to China in three weeks time from Australia and we have all been advised by our Doctors and the health Department (all different doctors) to have the combined (one needle) of hep A and Typhoid. My doctor is Thaiwonese and my sisters doctor is Indian and they agree to have the shots.

    China itinerary

    I%26#39;ll be in China for 8 days with a friend, and then I have 3 days by myself before heading to Bangkok. We%26#39;re flying into Shanghai so I figured we%26#39;d stay there for 2 days plus a day for a side trip (I heard something about a water village?), then 2 days in Xian and 3 days in Beijing. Does this sound ok? Once my friend leaves I still have to decide what to do...is there enough to do in Beijing for 3 more days? I was also thinking of going to Hong Kong, since I know there is a flight to Bangkok from there. I%26#39;m pretty open to any ideas, I don%26#39;t know much about China, but I thought a less metropolitan place could be fun too (I know, the opposite of Hong Kong). I%26#39;d love any help!



    China itinerary


    First,wherever Shanghai,Xian or Beijing, there were a very perfect service system whatever you need private/join in group optional tours bassed on daily.



    Secondly,Xitang and Wuzhen(water town) would be collected in Shanghai zone using one day time. On each city, you had better to take seat-in-coach tours,supposing you must need English speaking.Duration you will stay in China looks like good,but do not ignor the time use of airplan/train/car.



    China itinerary


    3 days is the absolute minimum to see the major sites in Beijing.





    I%26#39;d recommend Guilin Yangshuo, but you probably won%26#39;t have time. So you could go to Pingyao and Datong as a small side trip from Beijing.




    Panda makes a very important point about allowing travelling time. (Don%26#39;t know what he/she is saying about ';perfect service system';??) Even if you fly this can still waste half a day. Fewer stops for longer is better. If you are after a cheap flight to BKK you could look into Air Asia from Macau %26amp; see if PEK-MFM (or CAN) + MFM-BKK is cost-effective.




    Pretty rushed. I would give Beijing at least 1 more day.



    If you have only 11 days then you don%26#39;t have much choice to play with.



    Quite a number of Chinese cities have flights to Bangkok -- among them Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Xiamen and Hong Kong. Would you perhaps be flying out from Shanghai? If you would, then I would suggest that you spend only 2 days in Shanghai at the start, 2 days in Xi%26#39;an and then 4 days in Beijing. Then after your friend leaves, overnight train Beijing -- Hangzhou and spend a day there, mosey up to Xitang (members.virtualtourist.com/m/1d57/f2e9f/t/) for the 2nd day then back to Shanghai to fly out.


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  • The Fontain Resorts - Fountain Suites and Golden Beach

    We will be travelling to Shenzhen in late December of this year. We have booked the The Fountain Resort Suites in the city of Shenzhen. We are contemplating switching to the The Fountain Resort Golden Beach on Dapang? Bay. Has anyone stayed at either of these resorts?



    The Fontain Resorts - Fountain Suites and Golden Beach


    Correction: The ';Fountain'; Resorts.



    The Fontain Resorts - Fountain Suites and Golden Beach


    Hi Gail





    Just back from 1 week in HK, been to many places however this was the biggest rip off , with poor quality, and thieves everywhere.





    Not even worth the experience, nor the cost of the visa. Camera discs were corrupt, DVD%26#39;s did not work, shoes and bags fell apart.





    Best shopping proved to be markets parallel to Ladies market, in Mongkok. About 5 mins walk from Ladies market





    Also good quality in mall, next to Big Buddha, with factory outlets such as Nike, Adidas, jeans , bags etc.





    Your choice but Shenzhen proved to be an expensive learning experience for our family.





    Safe travelling ( only if you miss the above)





    Regards





    BW




    Oh, no! I%26#39;d better do a little more research before I venture forth. Thanks for the info.




    Do not worry Gail.



    Go ahead with your plans. I do not know what deal beaverwillows got.



    Do some research on this site, from other travellers, or check out my posts.



    When you buy things you get what you pay for. Do you want quality you pay a bit more. But then only about 50% of the price in the west. Do not go for the cheapest things. I buy my DVD at Wal-Mart or at the library (bookstore) latest releases for about 22 Rmb. But you need to have a region free DVD player at home. China is region 6 You can switch the language to English, with a bit of guesswork in the menu.



    Thieves? I feel confident to sleep on a park bench in Shenzhen. I am only afraid of the polis, it is not allowed. And I do not fit in with my 6 foot, blond hair and big nose.



    Shenzhen is as big as NY 9.6 million. Things happen in big cities. But I think it is safer here than in many other places. Normal precaution .



    I have been to Shenshen 10 times in the last 2 years 9 month total.



    Happy travel :-)




    We have stayed at the Golden Beach resort. It looks really beautiful and is beautifully landscaped. It is on the hillside about 30 minutes above the beach. Not within walking distance. There is a bus that costs about 5RMB that stops outside the resort that will take you to Xiao Mei Sha beach or Da Mei Sha beach. I recommend Da Mei Sha for its many ammenities.





    The resort has no ATM. Could find no ATMs that accept US debit/credit cards that worked until we drove back to the airport which is about an hour and a half away. None of the employees at this resort speak any English. Only some Mandarin and mostly Guangdong dialect. Although they are sweet and very willing to help if you don%26#39;t speak Chinese don%26#39;t bother. They have a very nice restaurant however many of the dishes listed in the menu are not available. ;-)





    This is a typical Chinese resort. They haven%26#39;t quite caught on to the sort of services that Westerners expect. This will change with the rapid rate of growth in China. Actually, I think that Shenzhen is much larger than 9.6 million. More like 20 million.

    What's a good price Beijing to Shenzhen?

    I have one more leg of our trip to book - Beijing to Shenzhen. Ctrip is showing a ';discounted'; price of 1400rmb ($197USD) but that seems expensive compared to other flights we%26#39;ve booked for earlier in the trip. Once they post a disounted price, does it come down again? We need to fly to Shenzhen on April 17th. I%26#39;ve heard that doing the bookings just two weeks before departure works well, is that true?

    What's a good price Beijing to Shenzhen?

    Prices change everyday. Go back to that site and check prices for that flight next week and even tomorrow and you%26#39;ll see the kind of prices and availability you can get at the last minute.

    What's a good price Beijing to Shenzhen?

    I%26#39;m asking if there is a point where the fares bottom out but there are still seats available.

    I%26#39;m used to dealing with airlines like Southwest here in the States where they put their flights up 6 months before departure and after awhile the best deals are gone and you can pay full price or it%26#39;s completely sold out. I can tell you that $300 is about the norm good price for Philadelphia to Denver, I%26#39;m hoping someone can do the same for me regarding PEK - SHZ.

    This isn%26#39;t an intellectual excercise - we would like to get to Shenzhen Thursday afternoon in order to spend some time with our daughter and see a bit of the city where she lives. BUT, I really, really don%26#39;t want to pay almost $200 if the flights will be going down (but not disappearing) to $100 in a week or two. So, I%26#39;m just asking if anyone else does this flight often enough to know what the expected low price is.

    And this board just moves so darn fast that this post will be on page 2 before someone that knows something will reply. :)


    The best value on the 17th is 440RMB plus 150taxes and fees

    www.shenzhenair.com

    flight no ZH9822

    yes the price varies everyday. It is a bit early to book the tickets now. rather try 2 weeks in advance


    Thank you, that%26#39;s just what I was looking for.


    Is there an english part to the www.shenzhenair.com site?


    I just did a google search because I was wondering the same thing and came up with this webpage

    ehow.com/how_2024516_shenzhen-airlines.html

    with this note at the bottom:

    # Shenzhen Airlines%26#39; Web site is not available in English.

    # There is no English booking phone number for Shenzhen Airlines.

    # To make reservations, English-speaking travelers are advised to get in touch with a travel agent.


    Shenzhen Airlines is my least favourite airline in mainland China though.


    Yeah try China Southern. They have an Englsih component, but you can only use Chinese CC to book. But it will give you an Idea about pricing. It%26#39;s the biggest airline in China. The flight attendents are almost always beautiful, and my flights from Shenzhen to Changsha usually run from ~480-800RMB with only a few days notice. Changsha is about halfway between Beijing and Shenzhen. So around $100-$200 US is reasonable.

    http://www.csair.com/en/

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  • Golf Clubs in Shenzhen

    Hi All



    We are travelling for the first time in April, to Hong Kong. We have our visa%26#39;s and are off to Shenzhen for just a day.





    We want to buy Ping golf clubs in Shenzhen.





    Does anyone know the best place to get them and how much we should expect to pay?





    Does anyone know if when we fly back to Korea, if we will be hit with a tax of somekind?





    Any help before 3.4.07 appreciated as this is when we leave.



    Thank you!!!



    Golf Clubs in Shenzhen


    I also want to buy golf clubs in Shenzen, leaving Australia on



    Sunday, wanted to get Callaway where did you end up



    getting yours and how much







    thanks





    Karenann



    Golf Clubs in Shenzhen


    Hi





    Golf clubs are available at the Lo Wu shopping centre.



    The Callaway clubs are around HK$800 a set including a bag. They also have other brands but not sure what they were.




    Thanks Crusaders for your help, :)Karen




    Dear Crusaders,



    Can you advise which floor you bought the clubs on.



    also did you buy and golf shirts.



    Thanks




    Hi





    Im not a golfer (thank god), there are a few shops selling this gear.



    I only know the price because every time I%26#39;m leaving Shenzhen there is a bunch of Aussie women with golf clubs for their husbands standing in the queue at the boarder.



    One of the ladies on the last trip did tell me that these clubs are the real mccoy but that they are seconds shipped out the back door of the factory .



    She said she had bought some on a previous visit and was buying some more so they must be OK.



    The shops from memory did have other stuff but dont ask me what.



    Hope this helps.





    Cheers




    You can get it at LuoHu Commercial Centre fifth floor... a few golf shop there...




    My husband has bought from Lo Wu b4 but though they carry international brand names, they are all imitations. Definitely not factory overrruns and we buy them knowing fully well they are imitations. However they are as good as the real stuff though it all depends on the golfer as well. You just have to use them on the course to know whether they are suitable for your kind of swing. Given the cheap prices, its worthwhile to get a set while you are there.




    Can you have the golf clubs shipped back home from the stores with added shipping costs of course?




    Calloway clubs are not made in China. The heads or shafts are, but the assembly is done in Carlsbad, CA. I live in San Diego, interviewed with them a year or so ago, and met some of their people on a flight into Hong Kong. Real clubs are available, but expensive. 800RMB is almost assuredly a fake.

    electrical stuff

    heard that there is a building in Hong Kong where you can get all those computer/ electrical stuff? anyone can advice?



    electrical stuff


    there%26#39;s the golden computer arcade in sham shui po, wan chai computer center and 768? i 4got the number but the mall%26#39;s name is a number.



    electrical stuff


    Yes there are a few buildings around.





    Computer centres that I%26#39;ve been to are located at Wanchai (on HK island), Mongkok (Kowloon side) %26amp; Sham Shui Po (Kowloon side).







    See the links below for some further info on each of these.





    www.hong-kong-travel.org/ComputerCentre.asp



    12hk.com/area/鈥anChaiComputerCenter.shtml



    12hk.com/area/鈥ongkokComputerCentre.shtml



    12hk.com/area/鈥oldenShoppingArcade.shtml





    Sometimes though you are better off just getting stuff at Fortress or Broadway (electrical chain stores) as you know they will be reliable and give you a warranty.





    Having said that, I havent had any problems with the stuff I%26#39;ve bought from computer centres - but you have to be careful!

    Plant Questions

    Can anybody who has been in Guilin recently confirm for me that the tall trees with the large white flowers are Paulownias?





    Also who knows why the trees along the road to the airport (which appear to be Eucalypts) are dying - is it the cold? They are evergreens so should not be brown, esp at this time of year.



    Plant Questions


    Bump - anyone?

    Lord Stow's vs. Margaret's

    Okay, okay, don%26#39;t want to start a debate between people on either side of these two ex-couple. :)





    Having visited Macau several times and enjoying egg tarts from Lord Stow%26#39;s each visit, i wondered why have I not tried Margaret%26#39;s?! To think that her cafe is in the center!





    Visiting one of my favorite places in Asia again soon, just for a day, and was wondering if I should give Margaret%26#39;s a try this time. What is the best time of the day to go there, considering it may be packed at certain times of the day? And more importantly, which is the best way/route to get there from Senado Square?



    Lord Stow's vs. Margaret's


    The two egg tart recipes are near enough to identical, as are their lemonades and raspberry yogurts, but each side has also developed their own bakery lines.



    During school term times, Margaret%26#39;s tends to be taken over by students from the nearby Portuguese school, so it%26#39;s safest to come while school is in session.



    To get there from Senado Square, walk back towards the Lisboa on the left side of the street. Cross directly over the next intersection with the traffic lights and keep walking straight ahead. After passing the bank and a couple of other shops there is a small lane going to the left - go in there, and just behind the first building on your right there is a narrow alley with brick pavement. Margaret%26#39;s is only a few metres along on your left (the first T-junction in the pedestrian zone).



    Lord Stow's vs. Margaret's


    Try both.





    The expresso and egg tart is a great way to start the day at Margaret%26#39;s.




    Lord Stow is already in Manila-Ortigas Ctr.





    Anyway, depending where you are in Macau--all the way for Lord Stow,if one is in Macau Peninsula-economically does not make sense.





    Nevetheless, the tarts aside,it is the ambiance of the place that may decide.





    As mentioned,Senado Square,one must determine a landmark to start from,so best to use the fountain,and yellow bldg of the tourism office,from here,with fountain to your back, take a left turn.





    You are walking along ';San Ma Lo';(Ribero).





    well, here is a good map:- http://www.augusters.de/location-e.html





    Cafe Nata is Margaret. Pay first, take the receipt to another lady in this small shop show the receipt,and you will be given your tarts, beverages(and well, you can try the cheesecake also).




    Lord Stow%26#39;s has been in Manila for almost a decade. Yet everytime I go to Macau I just have to get me some! Believe me it%26#39;s different! And yes I still buy some here in Manila at times (they have outlets at the Podium, Market Market, Glorietta 4, and SM Mall of Asia).





    Will make sure to visit Margaret%26#39;s soon. Actually in 2 days! Hahaha!




    hey guys, i happened to stumble upon a lord stow%26#39;s outlet right here in hong kong! it%26#39;s at the lobby of excelsior hotel at causeway bay! i dunno how it measures up to the original one at macau though cos i haven tried the one in macau. i feel that the one i had at excelsior was good! sweet, egg-y, and baked to the right texture! =)


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    Hi all,

    Need help esp from the Local residents.

    Recently had a friend being charged the mid night rates although he availed the cab at 11 p.m from the airport

    What time do the %26#39;night time%26#39; charges for the taxis apply esp the ones that we take from the airport/ Luohu / Huangang etc..??

    I am / was under the impression that these charges start from 12 p.m onwards.

    If one is in a situation like above, how does one tell the cabbie to charge the usual rates..??

    Taxi Night Charges...??

    I%26#39;ve seen the night rates vary start time between 11 and 12. I can tell you for a fact since friends and me do it alot that taking a cab from OCT area to Shekou starts at 12.50 even at 10PM. The night rate jumps to 16.50 just to get in. It isn%26#39;t that much more expensive. A trip from Shekout to Futian should run about 80RMB.

    Taxi Night Charges...??

    have heard that Shz night cab fares are the most expensive on the mainland...

    that apart, if u travel from OCT nr WOW, Happy valley etc, to Shekou %26amp; back at night, there is 1/2 bus service (bus 113, 204, 369 )that run till midnight while the other buses run only till 11 p.m or so.

    We have used it the last few times %26amp; it was pretty convenient

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  • Beijing Hostels vs. Hotels

    Just wondering about any good cheap hotel recommendations in Beijing and Xi%26#39;an? I notices some nice looking hostels but wondering if the hotels are just as good and similarly priced. Any help would be awesome! Thanks, Ryan



    Beijing Hostels vs. Hotels


    Suggest stay Home Inn(chain hotel,similiar to 3 stars) in Beijing at 44$/per room per night about.



    Xi%26#39;an, stay in Hongyang Hotel(***) at 42$/per room per night.



    Beijing Hostels vs. Hotels


    I think the question is whether cheap hotels are as nice as high end hostels.





    I think that%26#39;s a question I would post on the Lonely Planet Thorntree forum. They tend to get more backpackers, who are more familiar with very tight budget travel.




    Actually we%26#39;re trying a hostel in Xi%26#39;an - HQ hostel. http://www.hqhostelxian.moonfruit.com/ We%26#39;re looking for a friendly fun place to stay and this sounded great. The owner is letting us have three rooms for our family with our own bathroom for less then the cost of one room at the Bell Tower hotel. The bed and breakfast we%26#39;re staying at in Beijing (Mao%26#39;er Hutong courtyard Bed and Breakfast) is also pretty inexpensive but it looks very nice. The only traditional hotel we%26#39;re going to stay at during our vacation will be the Salisbury YMCA in Hong Kong.




    Please indicate dates of stay, number of occupants and define ';cheap';.




    2 people (my wife and I)for 4 nights in a convenient location in Beijing for 50$(US) per night. Thanks for the response. Ryan




    Nanjing Hotel, Days Inn Forbidden City, Tang Yue Hotel etc.

    Train services

    Does Shanghai Railway station have English timetable to tell us which platform the train depart?





    Do you know the depart and arrival time of Shanghai 鈥?Jiaxing services? Also how much would it cost?





    There are bus services to Wuzhen from Jiaxing station - where about outside the station do i get in the bus?





    Many thanks



    Train services


    check this for trains:



    http://www.chinahighlights.com/china-trains/



    Train services


    1) No, but train numbers use the English alphabet and ';normal'; Arabic numerals so you shouldn%26#39;t have a major problem. Or more useful is to look for the exact departure time. The waiting room number along with the train number and departure time will be on big LCD displays beside the escalators after you go through the X-ray machines and go upstairs to the waiting rooms.



    2) There%26#39;re quite a number of departures, but the majority of them are from Shanghai South train station, not Shanghai main train station.




    Check out the latest china train schedule through www.adventurechinatrip.com/train/index.asp





    good luck

    *THE* Asian Metropolis:Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong or Bangkok

    OK, I%26#39;ve reached the hell out of all of the above cities and I like what I%26#39;ve read on all four. All I need now is some comparative insights from seasoned travellers who have been to some or all four of the above cities. I love to hear your inputs so sock it to me!





    About me:



    -Only have 5 days to spare and want to visit only 1 Asian city.



    -Never been to Asia



    -In my early 30s



    -Going alone



    -Interested in something new, culture, food (very important), interacting with the locals, walking around, and clubbing/non-seedy nightlife (also very important).



    -Not really interested in shopping.





    WHICH IS THE BEST CITY FOR DINING OUT, WALKING AROUND AND GO CLUBBING AT NIGHT?





    Will be posting this question on Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong and Bangkok forums to make it fair.



    *THE* Asian Metropolis:Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong or Bangkok


    Hi i had been to Bangkok several times,Hongkong at least 3 times,Tokyo once n of cos most of the time in Shanghai for past 7 yrs.I had gone stale with Bangkok cos the sity has not much to offer except for the famed thai massage n bars,other than that its a buddhist culture just like any buddhist country,city is pale by comparison not much of landscapingn devoid of decorations but the people r nice n friendly.Hongkong with its mnagnificent skyline seen over the Victoria peak but i can cover Hongkong within 1 full day,not much to do as far as tourist spots r concerned n mini by comparison if compared to Shanghai,also not much of cultural sites or things that r reminescent of history,though u have several nice clubbing areaswhich r more or less same like in Tokyo or Shanghai,Hongkong is just like any big western city populated mainly by chinese, but its a very clean city.Tokyo is indeed a nice city,relaxed if ur not working,not much to say about buildings ,air quality is good,some beautiful temples n gardens,but the city has more or less remained the same for past few yrs as i was told,nuthin much has changed,n finally...yes we have Shanghai , easily the most talkabout city in the world right now,everchanging each time u go back there r new changes in terms of developments like buildings ultramodern,the city skyline seems like alive n changing every second,compared to the other cities its the most populated city with 20million people n many many expats there from all sorts of nationalities,a city thats battling to save the old architecture n culture trying t o maintain n preserve the old alongside the new.but right now its blending beautifully,walking around is never boring a lot of things that u never thought u could see anywhere but dont be surprised if u see in in Shanghai,its also a city thats so receptive of anything foreign so its truly a cosmopolitan worldly city,food wise well its a understatement to say the least that Shanghai has the world food all in this city apart from the countless chinese cuisine,walking around isconvenient,clubbing is the same like any major city as for value for money Shanghai beats the rest as it is still affordable comfortably as compared to Tokyo or Hongkong which is much more expensive.Hospitality for services is good in Bangkok n Shanghai.,that is if u have money to splash.,U have the maglev train,many subway lines,people exercising early in the morning with all sort of expertise whether its sword ,dancing,acrobatics along the major roads n parks,many joining in on their way to work.,n cultural n artistic buildings whether its chinese or western along the bund,French concession area,YuYuan lots more lol.So i will definitely say Shanghai tops them all...cos i have had never a dull moment eversince i been to this glowing city not unlike Bangkok,Tokyo or Hongkong.Some people may not be so polished here but what do u expect from a city of 20 million its also kind of very amusingto observe all types of behaviours here.Actually so much of freedom of expressions.In Tokyo n HongKong its more of quite mechanical n the people r maore like automated machines but of cos more polite in that sense.Well considering all this i still prefer Shanghai handsdown.,truly vibrant n very beautiful city.



    *THE* Asian Metropolis:Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong or Bangkok


    bennystar99, WOW thanks man for your input. REALLY appreciate it. Questions... what are your three top restaurants in Shanghai for lunch adn three top for dinner?





    Thanks again and keep %26#39;em coming!





    Eugene AKA Lightseek




    You wrote:





    About me:



    -Only have 5 days to spare and want to visit only 1 Asian city.



    -Never been to Asia



    -In my early 30s



    -Going alone



    -Interested in funky designs, something new, culture, food (very important), interacting with the locals, walking around, and clubbing/non-seedy nightlife (also very important).



    -Not really interested in shopping.





    WHICH IS THE BEST CITY FOR DINING OUT, WALKING AROUND AND GO CLUBBING AT NIGHT ?





    _____________





    This is a tough one, but I can%26#39;t imagine why you would fly all the way from NYC to spend 5 days in *one* Asian city. But anyway.





    ';funky designs'; - I think Tokyo tops the lot with some really interesting Architecture / Fashion / Industrial Design / urban minimalist stuff that comes out of there. Many would say they are the %26#39;trendsetters%26#39; in Asia for pop culture.





    ';something new'; - If its your first time in Asia everything will be %26#39;new%26#39; to you and so I consider all the cities equal in this respect.





    ';culture'; - this is a broad term but I%26#39;ll assume %26#39;uniqueness%26#39; is the requirement. My vote goes to Tokyo again.





    ';food'; - I%26#39;ll assume you%26#39;re adventurous, like asian food in general, have no problems with spicy food and won%26#39;t be looking for the nearest MacD%26#39;s once you get off the plane. ;) My vote goes to a tie between Tokyo and Bangkok for *consistently* good food based on previous trips personally.





    ';interacting with the locals'; - I would think Tokyo-ites are as friendly as New-Yorkers (pre-9/11), busy-ing about their hectic lives... ;) My vote goes to Bangkok for this requirement.





    ';walking around'; - My vote goes to a tie between Hong Kong and Shanghai - you could get wonderfully lost exploring antique shops on Hollywood Street and vicinity (HK) and the old European quarters, Nanjing Rd. and the Bund (Shanghai).





    ';clubbing/non-seedy nightlife'; - If you%26#39;re used to the Avalon/Twilo kind of clubbing my vote goes to Tokyo but Bangkok is my personal favourite. There are several clubbing areas, each catering to a slightly different crowd than the others. There is a small but very good and friendly after-hours scene but it helps if you know someone. Actually, scratch Bangkok - they%26#39;ve recently elected a new Government so things are a little quiet of late. ;) If you%26#39;re more a Greenwich / East Village kind of guy then I would say Shanghai or Hong Kong - Mao Ming Lu (Shanghai) and Lan Kwai Fong (HK).





    So there you have it, looks like Tokyo with Bangkok a close second.





    Happy travels!





    Will be posting this answer on Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong and Bangkok forums for consistency. :)




    Hi for lunch LOST HEAVEN at Gao yu lu(near Fuxinglu),Cloud 9 at Shangrila,Element Fresh at Portman Hotel.For Dinner at XinXiange at627,Huai hai zhonglu,Quanjude at786HuaihaiZhonglu,and House of Canton at Nanjingxilu.




    I would have to pick Tokyo. I fell in love with it instantly and have been several times on my own (early 20s). I lived in Japan for 6 months and Tokyo was the first place I touched down in Asia, completely alone. Nostalgic feelings aside, I did not have any problems getting around on my own speaking English with a few handy Japanese phrases. People very helpful and friendly.





    The food is incredibly delicious. Contrary to what you may hear about Tokyo it isn%26#39;t that expensive as long as you stick to Asian staples instead of Dominoes Pizza and Western chains. You can easily find a three course meal for under $10.





    Always felt very safe on my own and the city is very clean. Lots to see and do, in and around the city, as well transportation is top notch (although shuts down early compared to Toronto or NYC) and easy to figure out to get out of the city to Nara or Yokohama, as well daily trips to Mt.Fuji or Nikko are offered everywhere. The different neighbourhoods in Tokyo are each like their own cities of electric lights, or traditional temples, modern fashion, etc.





    I also found that Tokyo had a great nightlife for clubbing, but also lounges, bars, karaoke and meeting both locals and foreigners.





    Comparatively, I also travelled to Hong Kong alone for a week. I felt much more overwhelmed and crowded than Tokyo. I did not feel as safe and it is not as clean. The people are friendly enough and English is spoken much more widely. transportation in and around HK was okay. There seemed to be much more emphasis on shpping in HK compared ot Tokyo.





    As for the food, I only had TERRIBLE experiences. Bt my third day I had given up and was eating at Starbucks and The Outback Steakhouse. I%26#39;m quite a adventurous and have a wide variety of tastes but I just couldn%26#39;t get a decent meal.





    I wasn%26#39;t as comfortable with the nightlife scene being on my own in HK. I%26#39;m not sure if I was just too used to Tokyo but it just didn%26#39;t compare as a single traveller.





    I haven%26#39;t been to Bangkok and am visting Shanghai in September...





    Good luck and have a great trip. You%26#39;ll fall in love with Asia




    raverboy, WOW! Thanks, dude. You%26#39;re da man! Anymore words of wisdoms?





    bennystar99, Once again thanks for restaurant suggestions. That means a lot getting usual info from people who knows the place well. Will take Shanghai serious consideration with you suggestions. Thanks again for your contributions.





    Filmgal, Thanks babe for your suggestions and tips on Tokyo. Best wishes and any last minute thoughts would be appreciated!!





    BTW a few people suggested that with 5 days I%26#39;d have time to visit 2 cities. Is this true or would I be spreading myself out too thin? I mean when I go to big European cities like London, Madrid, Berlin (my favorite Euro city) and Amsterdam ... I can easily spend a full week there.





    Thanks again!! Keep %26#39;em coming.





    Eugene AKA Lightseek

    Bottled Water

    My wife and I always argue about this. No matter where we are overseas she always drinks bottled water on the grounds that tap water is often unsafe, even in first world countries. I always drink tap water from the hotel on the understanding that if you stay in a reasonably expensive hotel, they will either make sure their water is safe to drink or tell you that it%26#39;s not. And of course the idea that most bottled water is filled from a public source anyway, and this public source is likely to be lowest common denominator. Does anyone know where Hong Kong%26#39;s bottled water comes from?





    Bottled Water


    According to their own website:





    http://www.aswatson.com/eng/manu_water31.htm





    One of the popular water brands is the Watson%26#39;s.



    Distilled water that supposedly gone through various steps of filtration, distillation and sterilization. So the implication is doesn%26#39;t matter whether it originated from public source or not, they are the largest distilled water manufacturer in the world now.





    My take is even though the tap water from more expensive hotels maybe safe, and HongKong is not exactly a third world country either, a bottle of water really doesn%26#39;t cost much, I personally go for bottle unless I didnt have a choice.



    Bottled Water


    Maybeso, but I watched Penn and Teller%26#39;s episode on bottled water. All not as it seems maybe.




    The mainland Chinese got those acts perfected better than Penn %26amp; Teller. Make sure the seal is on.




    i like bonaqua.




    Often do I find Bonaqua cheaper per mL than Watson%26#39;s. Still, just about any brand you would find in the fridge in a 7-11 would be just fine.



    What is her ground on tap water anyway? Cholera and similar diseases from water was never heard in HK for years, and all I know is that upon boiled, the HK tap water safely fed 7 million people annually (we DO boil the water first). They taught us to always boil the water before drinking in primary schools.




    She reckons bottled is different to tap water. I say it%26#39;s the same. I never boil water from HK at least in good hotels, as their reputation depends on people not getting sick there. Esp. in this internet age. Should I?? Thought it was perfectly safe.




    7-Eleven is quite expensive though, when compared to Wellcome.




    Well, the hotels we stayed in (admittedly not 5* but maybe 3*) stated in the hotel guide not to drink the tap water, and provided free bottled water.




    We didn%26#39;t risk it by drinking the tap water whilst in HK. We were even using Evian water to clean our teeth (seemed quite extravagant at the time)!, however HK was just the start of our overseas trip and there was no way we were going to get sick from the water. Why risk your health - bottled water is so cheap in HK.




    In Asia, for drinking, I think boiling the water is the trick. For others like cleaning, I have always used tap water. It cannot be that bad, otherwise all the population in this region will not be functioning. It only gets troublesome when eating outside where hygiene is beyond our control. Having said that I was at Brussels Midi station once and was served a hotdog using bare hands which were also used to collect my money.

    Big Buddha travel questions

    Going to HK April 12-14 and the Tien Tan Buddha is a must on my itinerary and would love if you could help out with these questions:

    -Is it best to take the bus to the buddha, then the cable car back? I heard the cable car opens at a later time than the opening hours for the buddha (and I definitely want to take the cable car at one time).

    -Is the bus trip from Tung Chung a pretty long ride? Or winding? (I%26#39;m not the biggest fan of bus rides and plan to pack some Dramamine)

    -We%26#39;re trying to decide if we would be able to make the trip to the buddha on the 14th (our departure date). Our flight leaves at 4:30pm - do we have enough time in the AM to make the trip? Also, we%26#39;ll be checking out of our hotel earlier that morning... if we made the visit on the 14th, is there any place we could leave our luggage?

    Signed,

    Confused

    :)

    Big Buddha travel questions

    Unless you%26#39;re travelling with any of these airlines;

    # Air Philippines

    # Angel Air

    # Jetstar Asia Airlines

    # Oriental Thai

    # Pakistan International

    # Transaero

    # Turkish Airlines

    you can use the Airport Express In Town Check-In facility at either Hong Kong Station or Kowloon Station. You can check your bags in any time from 5-30am on the day of your departure. The Airport Express fare is charged when you check-in. You can then take the Airport Express to Tsing Yi where you should change to the Tung Chung Chung Line and take the MTR to Tung Chung*. It should take about 40 mins from Kowloon Station or about 45 mins from Hong Kong Station to get to Tung Chung. You can either take the number 23 bus;

    http://www.newlantaobus.com/road_23.htm

    or cable car.

    The cable car starts at 10am (9am on Sundays) and takes 25/30 mins. The bus takes about 50 mins and it is a rather tortous hilly and winding journey in places but scenic although if the new Tung Chung Road has opened by the time you visit the journey will be a little more comfortable.

    The steps to the Buddha don%26#39;t open until 10am but the Po Lin Monastery next to it opens at 9am.

    You don%26#39;t need to be at the airport until an hour before your flight leaves if you%26#39;ve used the In-Town Check-in and should have plenty of time. When you%26#39;ve returned to Tung Chung from the Buddha you can either take the S1 shuttle bus from Tung Chung MTR Station to the airport (evey 10 mins or less and takes about 10 mins) or take a taxi.

    * If you are unable to use the Airport Express In-Town Check-In you can instead take the Airport Express to the airport (25/30 mins) and leave your bags at the left luggage counter. It costs HK$50 per item up to 24 hours. You can then take the S1 shuttle bus from outside the passenger terminal at departures level to Tung Chung MTR Station and take either cable car or bus to the Buddha. You will however need to be back at the airport a couple of hours before your flight departs in order to check-in (you can also use this route even if you do use the In-Town Check-In and prefer not to change from the Airport Express to the MTR at Tsing Yi - it won%26#39;t take much longer).

    Big Buddha travel questions

    Unless you%26#39;re travelling with any of these airlines;

    # Air Philippines

    # Angel Air

    # Jetstar Asia Airlines

    # Oriental Thai

    # Pakistan International

    # Transaero

    # Turkish Airlines

    you can use the Airport Express In Town Check-In facility at either Hong Kong Station or Kowloon Station. You can check your bags in any time from 5-30am on the day of your departure. The Airport Express fare is charged when you check-in. You can then take the Airport Express to Tsing Yi where you should change to the Tung Chung Chung Line and take the MTR to Tung Chung*. It should take about 40 mins from Kowloon Station or about 45 mins from Hong Kong Station to get to Tung Chung. You can either take the number 23 bus;

    http://www.newlantaobus.com/road_23.htm

    or cable car.

    The cable car starts at 10am (9am on Sundays) and takes 25/30 mins. The bus takes about 50 mins and it is a rather tortous hilly and winding journey in places but scenic although if the new Tung Chung Road has opened by the time you visit the journey will be a little more comfortable.

    The steps to the Buddha don%26#39;t open until 10am but the Po Lin Monastery next to it opens at 9am.

    You don%26#39;t need to be at the airport until an hour before your flight leaves if you%26#39;ve used the In-Town Check-in and should have plenty of time. When you%26#39;ve returned to Tung Chung from the Buddha you can either take the S1 shuttle bus from Tung Chung MTR Station to the airport (evey 10 mins or less and takes about 10 mins) or take a taxi.

    * If you are unable to use the Airport Express In-Town Check-In you can instead take the Airport Express to the airport (25/30 mins) and leave your bags at the left luggage counter. It costs HK$50 per item up to 24 hours. You can then take the S1 shuttle bus from outside the passenger terminal at departures level to Tung Chung MTR Station and take either cable car or bus to the Buddha. You will however need to be back at the airport a couple of hours before your flight departs in order to check-in (you can also use this route even if you do use the In-Town Check-In and prefer not to change from the Airport Express to the MTR at Tsing Yi - it won%26#39;t take much longer).


    Sorry for the double post above. TripAdvisor said it had timed out and couldn%26#39;t post the original reply - but did!


    Thanks so much for your help! To be quite honest, I%26#39;m a little nervous about the bus ride to/from the top, so maybe we%26#39;ll do a round trip ticket on the cable car (as it isn%26#39;t that much more than a one way ticket). Is that something people typically do? Or is that generally avoided due to long queues?

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